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 3va4eva
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Atlanta | posted: 9/30/2004 at 11:04:47 PM ET
So, who watched the debate tonight? What did you guys think?
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| Karen
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5/3/2002 | posted: 9/30/2004 at 11:39:05 PM ET
I thought that Kerry, though uninspiring, was superior. My worry is that Bush's supporters don't seem to care whether or not he sounds like an idiot, so, it doesn't really matter to them if he, technically, lost the debate.
I so much want to be optimistic about getting rid of Bush, but, unfortunately, at this point it's not looking good for our side. All we can do is get out there on election day and vote!!
|  PA Fan
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11/6/2003 | posted: 10/1/2004 at 10:09:40 AM ET
I think Karen summed up the debate pretty well. Interestingly, Bush wanted this debate to be on national security issues because he feels it's his strength & because (usually) the first debate is the most watched.
The nationwide polls mean nothing. It's the individual state polls that matter and while right now Bush is ahead in "electoral votes" that can change dramatically very quickly as his leads in states is essentially within the margin of error.
It's occurred to me that Wicked's "Dancing Through Life" could be the Bush campaign's theme song! 
| jmslsu01
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northern VA | posted: 10/1/2004 at 10:11:29 AM ET
I worked until 9 last night,so I listened to part of it on NPR while driving home and then watched the rest on CNN.
As Jon Stewart said,it was more like two parallel campaign speeches rather than a debate. I remember when the candidates could actually talk to each other.
Jenn
|  SingOutAnnie
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Bradenton/Sarasota, FLA | posted: 10/1/2004 at 1:05:25 PM ET
Ditto to all that Karen said.
I simply cannot comprehend how anyone can think of rewarding the person and people who got us into this mess-with-no-end-in-sight in Iraq -- not even touching on the other damage he and his administration has done to our country, our constitution, on and on.
I thought Bush's responses very practiced, and I thought he was tired after about an hour of talking about all this heady stuff, whereas as Kerry picked up steam. I will be interested to see how Bush does in the town hall meeting situation, since the audiences at his campaign rallies are all hand-picked and approved.
I think sometimes too, Karen, if Bush wins, I hope at least he loses the popular vote again and wins only by the electoral college. So there will be a lack of legitimacy again.
|  moljul
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| posted: 10/1/2004 at 1:20:13 PM ET
Well this is turning into quite a democrat conversation but I have to agree. I respect everyone's right to make their own decisions but I'm baffled as to why the race is so close at this point. How can you not see that the war was taken on under circumstances that were wrong. No one is saying that Saddam was a good guy and the Iraqi people were doing just fine. But just because we are the only super power left does not give us the right to decide how the world is going to be run. It's up to the world as a whole to decide. Our power does not give us rights but responsibilities. This type of mentality is why so many people abroad hate Americans and I can't blame them. We come across as such egomaniacs.
And things are not getting better in Iraq, they are only getting worse. By voting Bush out, you aren't saying you don't support our troops. On the contrary, you are showing that you understand they have been put in a terrible situation with no solution in site and they need help. I could hardly watch the debates last night (though I forced myself to) because Dubyah always comes off as such a buffoon to me and I just don't understand how the majority of the people can't see it. I know that sounds unfair but it just seems so obvious to me.
To be perfectly honest, I will truly be ashamed to be a citizen of this country if Bush is re-elected. That's a harsh thing for me to say but that is how strongly I feel that he is an incompetent president. And I have to say I have never been a very political person but the issues seem so extreme that I can't help really paying attention to the whole thing.
And don't even get me started on the Patriot Act!
EDIT: I know we have a few posters on here who are not from the U.S. I would really appreciate hearing your views or what you feel your country's general views are of this war and of the US. I'm sure its worse than we think but I'd like to hear an honest opinion.
| Karen
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5/3/2002 | posted: 10/1/2004 at 1:43:40 PM ET
Need to get back to work and don't have time to post much, but...YES, YES, YES to what everyone is saying. I truly believe Bush is the worst president in history (just because the stakes now are higher than ever). Moljul, I completely agree. I too had to force myself to watch last night because it's so important--but it wasn't easy.
| jmslsu01
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northern VA | posted: 10/1/2004 at 1:49:35 PM ET
If you haven't registered to vote yet,or need to re-register (if you have moved),time is running out. I know Monday is the last day for Texans to register.
Jenn (who didn't qualify for a Louisiana absentee ballot. I would have preferred to have voted in Louisiana,but that's tough luck,I guess.)
|  Sister Rose
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5/4/2004
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NYC | posted: 10/1/2004 at 2:06:56 PM ET
Amen to everything everybody has said. Thank you for speaking your mind. Remember your opinion means nothing if you don't vote. As a Texpatriot (I've only been away from Texas for 2.5 years) I had to live under Bush as Texas governor. Even though the Texas governor is basically a figure head, he still managed to screw up the environment and education even worse than it already was. Please everybody vote and please make sure your friends and family vote. Try not to argue with them but remind them that this election is just not about terrorism or Iraq - we have serious problems at home that are only going to get worse if the Republicans are given another four years...can you imagine if they are elected again, they will believe even more that they have a mandate to spread their right wing conservative Christian views on what is moral and what is not and even reek more havoc on our rights and the environment.
Also, get on your knees and pray. That couldn't hurt.
Remember your opinion means nothing if you don't vote.
"Anyone who stays home is DEAD!"
|  barcelona
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7/27/2004 | posted: 10/9/2004 at 8:44:34 PM ET
Hi Moljul - I know it's a while since you asked, but if you're still interested...
I'm not from the US, and here in Ireland I think most people realise that America going to war really means Bush going to war...it's clear from all the protests that there is a definite Anti-Bush feeling in a lot of Americans, we realize that not all Americans follow blindly.
That said, I really don't know what the feeling will be if he's elected again...
to make the same mistake twice! It'll be so bad for the world environmentally and so many other ways...
Also, I think this is interesting -
when my sister was in Boston recently a Kerry supporter stopped her in the street and asked her if she'd like to work for the Kerry campaign...my sister told her she'd dearly love to help elect John Kerry but she was from Ireland. They got talking and the campaign worker told her that of the people she'd stopped well over 300 of them were foreign tourists, and not one of them wanted to see Bush win.
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