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 SingOutAnnie
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8/23/2003
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Bradenton/Sarasota, FLA | posted: 9/2/2003 at 1:25:13 PM ET
"...Bernadette's dress size, salary, personal relationships wih men, why she doesn't have children, her parents' deaths!..."
I've not seen much of that on this site, but then I've only been here a few months. (tho, I admit, when someone said Steve Martin took in a Gypsy performance, I was glad to hear it and thought that was nice.)
Who the heck knows the truth of any of that stuff anyway? I'd only care and believe it from a legit magazine with direct quotes or TV interview anyway. Speculation doesn't interest me. I'm not big on the gossipy stuff on anyone really (don't watch ET or the like). It seems like Bernadette is above all that fray.
But I could read and think about her performances all day long...and a few days this summer, I did!
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8/27/2003 | posted: 9/2/2003 at 4:45:23 PM ET
I still think that a scrapbook thing would be nice, but agree that the message boards shouldn't be mentioned. Like Jessica said, certain aspects of a celebrity's life deserve to be private.
Another idea... At my school, when the teachers retire, we take a photo album and fill it with notes written on 4 x 6 index cards (or whatever fits in the album). We include photographs or drawings on the blank side, and write a message on the lined side. Then, since we don't use the kind with the sticky pages, the reader can see both sides of the index card without taking it out of the album.
~Amanda~
|  UCFGuardgirl
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New York City | posted: 9/2/2003 at 10:36:52 PM ET
Hmmm... I didn't realize my suggestion would cause so much fervor. Okay, this is what I think:
The scrapbook (while a long way off -- it's not like we'd have to decide this NOW) is coming from THIS website. People who represent THIS website are putting it together. So while I don't think we should sign it, "from Bernadette-peters.com," I DO think we should mention that THIS website SPONSORED the book.
Having said that:
Honestly? I don't see a problem with mentioning the website. Four reasons.
First: This website is a Bernadette Peters website. Thus, the message board linked on the main page is a Bernadette Peters message board. We come here to talk about Bernadette Peters, not Sesame Street. I would assume that Bernadette Peters would understand this, given that... well... she is not stupid. 
Second, this place is pretty innocuous. It just is. We play trivia, we talk to one another, we share stories, we ask questions about old Bernadette movies and plays. That is, what? 98% of the talk that goes on here? Besides this, anything vulgar is, 9 times out of 10, posted by people who aren't registered here, whose names come up as "anonymous," and ANYONE can tell right away the difference between fans who are coming here for Bernadette and anonymous people who are just being immature.
Now, if there were posts here that REALLY talked about "innaproproate topics" -- like how many men Bernadette Peters slept with when she was younger, or where she and her husband eat lunch, I would agree with Megan, 100%. But we simply don't talk about things like that here.
And this is coming from someone who KNOWS how bad actor-focused message boards can get because I run one. Paparazzi pictures, heated bashes, anger over salary disputes, accusations... I'm talking vicious. I can't tell you how many threads I've had to lock. How many threads does Kevin ever lock here? Maybe 1 or 2 every once in a long while?
Third: Bernadette knows she has all kinds of fans. Casual fans, moderate fans, diehard fans. She's greeted by legions of them at the stage door every night. She gets a ton of fanmail everyday. She's a professional with 40-somewhat years of experience. She knows her fans are curious about her both professionally and personally. This is why she grants interviews and talks occasionally about her personal life. It's not like anything that strays even a tiny bit from the professional Bernadette is a personal affront to her. I think it's high time we gave the talented lady some credit. Innocent talk about what she's wearing (although I agree dress size should be left out) or how her husband is doing, or how long she dated Steve Martin... these aren't horrible things. These are things that (I would assume) Bernadette would find relatively innocent on a message board that is solely focused on her.
Fourth: Can we give OURSELVES a little credit? Personally, I think it would be an honor for Bernadette to click on this message board and see how her fans support not only her, but EACH OTHER. Let's face it; we're a great group of people.
I think the 140 post thread about "6 degrees of seperation from Bernadette" is hysterical. Further, I think SHE would find it hysterical, too.
I love how anyone can register here and post a question about where to sit in the theatre, or where the stage door is, and at least 3 people will reply and be very helpful.
I love that we try to meet up with one another at Bernadette events, and are just as excited about meeting other fans and making new friends as we are about meeting her.
I love all the threads with subject headers that start out with "What a great bunch," or "this is the best fan site I've been to." What a wonderful compliment for Kevin.
I love that people from the actual CAST of Gypsy come and post here (so if you think there's no way for her to find this site ANYWAY, think again.)
I love that representatives from Broadway Barks come and post here with helpful information.
I love that *I* was able to get some info about the organization from people who have donated money and adopted animals. I love that other people donated money because they learned about Broadway Barks from posting here.
I love hearing all the stories (old and new) about stage door experiences, and in-theatre experiences, and "first-time" Bernadette movie experiences.
I love that I can get most of my theatre news here, because everyone is so knowledgable.
So really, I can't see what's wrong with making a scrapbook that is sponsored (not necessarily FROM, but SPONSORED BY) this website. I think it's a fabulous place, and a credit to the actress and the webmaster.
***************
Regis: And look at all this hair. My God. That's a lot of hair. Look at this. How does hair get this way?
Bernadette: Um.. it sort of grew out of my head like this.
-- Live with Regis
|  BwayLover
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8/12/2002 | posted: 9/2/2003 at 10:47:32 PM ET
I think a scrapbook is a good idea.  Thumbs up to UCFGuardgirl for the suggestion.
Regarding the issue of whether or not this website should be mentioned in said scrapbook, I don't think it matters. Yes, there have been some posts/topics that haven't been very appropriate, but oh well. It's not that big of a deal, and like SingOutAnnie said, she's been in the business for a long time. She's used to criticism (though that doesn't make it okay for people to be harsh and inappropriate), and she knows that people aren't always going to be polite and keep their noses in their own business like they should. So if she ever were to come visit this site, I think she would expect that not everything will be "appropriate" (though, overall, most everything that is said here is harmless, and regular users aren't trying to stir up trouble or hurt anyone). Whoever puts the scrapbook together can use their discretion and put in the name of this website, or not, but I just thought I'd put my two cents in.
"The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot
| BroadwayQueen06
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9/3/2003 | posted: 9/3/2003 at 12:34:46 AM ET
As I was reading through this thread, I something that I found very touching.
You all, no matter what your position is on the issue of leaving the website out of the scrapbook, you all are looking out for Bernadette's best interest and I think that she would appreciate that very much. That kind of compassion and dedication, I think, is not something many performers have, at least not to this degree.
Re: the scrapbook, I think it is a wonderful idea and I'm sure that Bernadette would be very glad to receive such a token of appreciation from her fans. As an actress myself, I can safely say that it is always nice to be recognized by fans, whether it be a flower from a little girl you've never met or a scrapbook of memories from hundreds of people, it all gives you the same feeling of tingly warmth inside. (If that makes any sense at all... such feelings are difficult to describe.)
I do think that Bernadette can handle herself if she were to stumble upon this website. As some have pointed out, she has been doing this for 40-something years and she knows that fans ask nosy questions.
That said... Just because Bernadette can handle it doesn't mean that she likes handling it. I think that, since we all respect and love Bernadette, we should refrain from making such comments that could be construed as offensive. Though I am new here, I really haven't seen much of that kind of discussion and that was one of the first things that attracted me to this board. I realized that everybody here truly respected Bernadette as a person and not as some cardboard public finger that can sing, albeit dynamically.
This is just my two cents. If I have stepped outside of any boundaries, I apologize.
Rachel
| Bwaybaby
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3/10/2001 | posted: 9/3/2003 at 12:40:04 AM ET
Welcome to the board Rachel
OK, well I wasn't going to respond to this thread...but here it goes....
Just the fact that several people have stated that they are uncomfortable with this idea and/or do not agree with it should say enough. I'm not saying their opinion counts more than those who agree with it, but it is something to consider. I do not think it is fair to make others feel uncomfortable over this.
| UCFGuardgirl
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New York City | posted: 9/3/2003 at 12:45:02 AM ET
We can just do a majority vote on whether or not we want to mention the site. It's not a big deal, either way. I only thought we should mention it because we all met (online) here at the site, and that is where the idea came from.
That said, we don't have to. So long as we can do something nice for Bernadette, I doubt it matters who gets the credit for it.
But we don't even have to decide something like that for awhile yet. So why don't we focus instead on what we'd like to include in the book.
***************
Regis: And look at all this hair. My God. That's a lot of hair. Look at this. How does hair get this way?
Bernadette: Um.. it sort of grew out of my head like this.
-- Live with Regis
| lyric
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8/27/2003 | posted: 9/3/2003 at 12:53:41 AM ET
Hi, Rachel!
I finally took the time to skim through a few pages of old posts (that's what you get for not being around for a while!) and I haven't really noticed anything I found to be too inappropriate. That's something I should have done before I commented earlier.
Regardless of whether or not she hears about the site from any of us, if she were to search for "Bernadette Peters" on Google, this site is the first one listed.
Credit should be given for the idea should the project materialize. And, since it would be an effort originating from this board, the site ought to be mentioned, as it is a very well done tribute to Bernadette.
~Amanda~
|  Jenny_loves_
bernadette
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6/6/2002
From:
London | posted: 9/3/2003 at 1:55:21 PM ET
Perhaps I sould say something seeing as I did start the whole question of whether or not Bernadette has ever seen or heard of this site.
We have said absolutely lovely things about bernadette and it is clear we adore her - when anyone has spoken out of turn someone has always defended her. Its ridiculous to say bernadette would be upset by this board - loads of people adoring her, this woman has put herself in the public eye because she obviously loves what she does and wants recognition for it. She thrives on attention because thats what actors want, its only natural for fans to be curious about her private life. Its how far they go to find out - thats when theres a problem.
they say bernadette's wonderful..........and she is
xx Jenny xx
| Bwaybaby
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3/10/2001 | posted: 9/3/2003 at 7:57:46 PM ET
I find it pretty far fetched to be assuming someone's reaction to something when you don't even know them.And I don't mean just Bernadette--this goes for anybody in general. Point is, yes there are some very hurtful and inappropriate threads on this board and quite a few threads which contain some very heated arguments. A few that were even locked. They are in the archives so that cannot be denied. Although some even reached the point where they were deleted by Kevin.
I don't think anyone of us could sit here and say " She is going to react this way" because unless we are Bernadette than we don't know. But like I said, there are some pretty hurtful, rude and inappropriate posts contained on this forum that could potentially be hurtful if she read them.
I don't think just "skimming" the posts is going to give you a clear picture of it all either. To get all of your facts and points of view from this sort of situation you would have to have either been here all along to have read them or go back in the archives and read all of them.
I understand people are curious but there is also a point where someone should realize that its enough, they shouldn't go any further. I understand Bernadette is a celebrity and that in this day and age celebrities lives are basically pried on and thrown out there for all of the world to see...but does that make it right?? Bernadette has shared her amazing gift with millions of people. She didn't enter the business to have her life opened up and analyzed (although I'm sure she expected it to some degree). There are certain things that she quite obviously has not shared with the public and does not discuss publicly and these are the things I think we most need to respect.
As to the assumption that all actors are in the business for attention and thrive on it...that is not true. Many are in it because they love singing, love dancing, love acting, love sharing their gift with others and making them smile. I know quite a few actors that are actually very shy and do not want all the attention they oftentimes get. They just want to do what they love. Of course, this may not be the case for ALL actors, but definitely quite a few.
I know some of you are going to say "but this is a message board, what do you expect" but these will probably be the same people to say " I really do respect Bernadette as a performer". How can you respect someone and invade their privacy at the same time?? Something to think about....
** Btw, I know there are many of you that have respected her privacy and not taken things too far but its also the case that there have been people who have not had the same kind of respect and courtesy on this forum (and no, I do not mean anyone specific).
| jmslsu01
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From:
northern VA | posted: 9/3/2003 at 9:19:10 PM ET
If I may butt in....
Here's an idea,and it's just an idea. Take it or leave it-you won't hurt my feelings. Those of you who would like to send your post about seeing Gypsy-print it out or write it out and send it to her. Individually. I'm sure she would love to read them. Especially from the younger posters,since lots of those in the theater industry are concerned about interesting younger people in the theater,and are delighted to hear from young people who love theater. Stephen Sondheim just recently said in an article that he's always astounded when he comes across someone under 50 who knows who he is.
That way-those who don't want their post,for whatever reason,to be read by Bernadette will not be made uncomfortable. Plus-wouldn't posters want to revise their post? Maybe include something that wasn't included,correct errors,etc?
Getting together a project like a scrapbook is quite an endeavor. It may not seem like it,but it is. Revising the scrapbook,designing it,etc would take some time. And with school just getting started for the younger posters (not to mention after school jobs and extracurricular activities)and work and family issues always on the plate for the older posters-that's a lot to juggle.
In all honesty,I think the scrapbook suggestion and suggesting that the website be mentioned was made in total innocence. But it may be best to encourage those who want Bernadette to read their impressions of the show to mail them individually. That way,no one's toes get stepped on,the burden of getting the book together doesn't fall on one person's shoulders (and there are always people who volunteer to help,but for some reason,can't help out at the right time. It's called life,and life intervenes at the darndest moments.).
OK-just my little thoughts.
Jenn
|  Christine-NYC
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Fav. BP Song: With So Little to be Sure Of
Fav. BP Show: Gypsy
Fav. BP Character: Marie (insert last name) lol There's a few
Fav. BP CD: Bernadette Peters Loves Rogers and Hammerstein
| posted: 9/3/2003 at 10:12:48 PM ET
That's where I was trying to go with my original post. I have nothing against a scrapbook; I think it's a wonderful idea. I just think that people should know and understand that whatever message they submit will be given to Bernadette, and that she will most likely read it.
This way, everyone can have a chance to throughly process what they want to write...as opposed to a fan board where they might just blurt out a story or thought they were having while reading the board one day.
No one can say that Bernadette hasn't already been to this message board, or at least knows it exsists. She is by no means a dumb woman; she's very intelligent. By putting the website's name in the scrapbook will not determine if she comes and looks. She may still choose not to log on and look; she may be one of those people who hates reading things about themselves.
One thing to keep in mind is that we would be giving her a scrapbook full of wonderful things written about her. That would be giving the impression that only good things are written about her here; and while a good percentage of the things written here are nice, there is a small percenage (mostly from anonymous people) that is not very flattering towards Bernadette.
<3CMH<3
| Jenny_loves_
bernadette
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London | posted: 9/4/2003 at 1:16:30 PM ET
Give Bernadette some credit -I don't believe anyone has attacked her personaly. Just because you love to look back and quote things, Bwaybaby, doesn't mean Bernadette would sit and do the same. I looked at this thrad expecting to have seen some very long winded reply from you - you did not disappoint. I guess i don't agree with you about anything but I really am irratating by the inflated self-importance that seems to taint your messages.
Cue incredibly long reply from Bwaybaby but I'm not going to bother to argue with you anymore, I'm not even going to check this thread.
they say bernadette's wonderful..........and she is
xx Jenny xx
| BroadwayBabyGal
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5/8/2003 | posted: 9/4/2003 at 2:02:12 PM ET
Jenny, the thing is that Bwaybaby actually knows Bernadette, and most of us (includong me) do not. I tend to trust her judgment.
~*Jessica*~
| Christine-NYC
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Fav. BP Song: With So Little to be Sure Of
Fav. BP Show: Gypsy
Fav. BP Character: Marie (insert last name) lol There's a few
Fav. BP CD: Bernadette Peters Loves Rogers and Hammerstein
| posted: 9/4/2003 at 3:42:27 PM ET
See Jenny, it's messages like that which sometimes make the people of this board seem childish. You may not have been attacking Bernadette, but what makes you think she would want to come here and read a childih remark like the one you just made...and yes, towards someone she knows. There was no reason for you to address BwayBaby in that manner on a public forum just because you have some sort of gripe with her.
<3CMH<3
| SingOutAnnie
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Bradenton/Sarasota, FLA | posted: 9/4/2003 at 4:07:30 PM ET
Yikes, it's getting a little too testy here.
this is the dangedest thang...I can't believe all the angst.
This is like where I work: They have a not-yet-built, not-yet-designed, not-yet-even-paid-for building already named. No building, not even blueprints, haven't knocked down the old building yet; it's just a dream to be completed in 5-7 years. But it's named for someone!!
How 'bout everyone just calm down (put on some BP music).
There's no scrapbook, only an idea for one. Let's not jump the gun. First things first.
If you build it, the name will come....
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