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Karen
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5/3/2002 | posted: 8/9/2005 at 1:31:33 PM ET
Did everyone see the sad news that she is undergoing treatment for lung cancer?
|  moljul
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| posted: 8/9/2005 at 1:32:49 PM ET
Yes, I just read it as well. And she was a non-smoker! The article said there is a rise in lung cancer in non-smoking women under age 51. Can anyone say "Second hand smoke"? Very scary.
I sure hope she has a speedy recovery.
|  Christine-NYC
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| posted: 8/9/2005 at 4:10:46 PM ET
 I hate smokers! I think smoking anywhere outside of your own home should be illegal.
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| moljul
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| posted: 8/9/2005 at 4:28:15 PM ET
But that would still suck for the person's family members. I think its time to make tobacco an illegal drug.
|  Mandy
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As someone who, at the age of 19, had a tumor the size of a half dollar removed from her throat...I agree with Moljul on this one. My doctors even commented that my case was almost identical to someone who had been a heavy smoker/drinker their entire life...and I hadn't done either.
I guess considering you can get lung cancer with or without being a smoker, I just dont understand why people would stack the cards against themselves when the potential to get it for no reason at all is always present.
I do feel bad for those who have been smokers for a really long time and cannot seem to quit. I do not, however, feel bad for those who have started recently. They are fully aware of what it will do to you.
Must get off my soap box now. Hope I didn't offend anyone. This topic just hits way too close to home for me.
Best wishes to Dana and her family for a quick recovery.
"Let's admit one thing right upfront: With the possible exception of Bernadette Peters, not everyone stays young and cute forever." (NYPost 2/2/05)
| Christine-NYC
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| posted: 8/9/2005 at 4:48:49 PM ET
I don't even want to imagine what my lungs must look like. I do not smoke...never have, never will BUT both of my parents smoked when I was growing up. My Father still does (even though his own sister died from lung cancer). My Mother quit the day she went into the hospital to have her kidney removed (in 1998 or 99?) because she had Kidney cancer, and she hasn't touched a cigarette since.
You're right. It should just be an illegal substance all together.
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| Karen
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Stop and think. Do you really want to go back to the days of prohibition, and all that it entailed? Do you want to make a quarter of the population criminals, because they choose to continue with a bad habit of which you don't approve?
Yes, second hand smoke is a problem, and I don't necessarily oppose indoor smoking bans in public buildings (although I'd like to see exemptions for bars). But don't start a witch hunt, or create a paternalistic state that tells adults what they can or cannot do. It would be an outrageous infringement of personal liberty.
| Christine-NYC
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| posted: 8/9/2005 at 7:58:26 PM ET
Banning alcohol was just stupid. There's no such thing as second hand alcoholism unless a Mother drinks while she is pregnant.
Cigarette and Cigar smoke is something that when I walk down the streets of NY just to get from point A to point B I am forced to inhale because it's either that, walk into the oncoming people, or step out into traffic. It's bad enough we have cars and factories that polute the air...we should at least be able to walk along the sidewalk or into a city building with having to hold our breath.
I actually would prefer it if smoking was allowed IN bars and certain areas in restaurants again, but not allowed outside. I can choose to not go eat in a particular restaurant. I cannot opt to not get to school or work or a Doctor's office or store.
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| Karen
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The outside air around us is filled with many toxins, tobacco smoke probably being among the least concentrated, in most places. Car exhaust fumes and industrial waste are much more pervasive.
Yes, I'm a smoker, and yes, I will fight to the end to preserve my right as an adult to be as unhealthy as I choose without interference from do-gooders.
Banning smoking from most public buildings, and certain public outdoor areas, should be enough to protect non-smokers. If you want to start a civil war, then just try making tobacco completely illegal and see what happens.
| Christine-NYC
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| posted: 8/9/2005 at 8:43:31 PM ET
If people want to inflict their own insides with smoke, then I don't care. My issue is that I should not have to be subjected to it if I do not choose to be.
As I said, I am definitely not against people being allowed to smoke. I think they should be allowed to smoke in their own homes, in their backyards, their cars, in certain areas of bars and restaurants. I Do not think they should be allowed to smoke in heavily populated areas where a vast majority of people are forced to inhale the extra toxins with no option to avoid them.
YES, there are car fumes and industrial waste that is MUCH WORSE than cigarette smoke; BUT there are alternatives being thought of and even created to help reduce those things. The only thing they did to reduce cigarette smoke was ban it from bars and restaurants. Great! So that means that those people will go smoke their cigarettes while standing directly in front of the entrances and exits to those same bars an restaurants.
It is a fact that Second Hand smoke is worse than actually smoking because the smoker is exhailing the fumes out and the non-smoker is forced to breath them in. Why should we suffer because of other people's filthy habits?
I am definitely not unwilling to listen if their is good reason beyond the fact that a lot of people smoke and would not want to quit because of a law.
Don't you think that more people WOULD stop smoking if it were illegal in certain aspects...while not being completely banned. Or at least they would cut back on how much they smoke.
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| Karen
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Christine, I understand and I sympathize with your point of view. I do my best not to inflict my smoking on non-smokers around me. I'm willing to accept smoking bans in many areas.
BUT (no pun intended, groan) I draw the line at any suggestion that tobacco products be made completely illegal, as was mentioned earlier in this thread. I'm fully open to compromises as to where they can be used and definitely think that the benefit of the doubt should go to non-smokers. No prohibition though, ever!
| jmslsu01
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I'm watching CNN, and a graphic showed that 17% of new lung cancer cases are from nonsmokers, and more women die from lung cancer than they do from breast cancer.
Also-researchers are unsure whether or not traumatic stress increases your risk of cancer. Some studies have shown a link-Mt. Sinai did a study-but studies like those are too small to draw a concrete conclusion.
Regardless, 8 out of 10 lung cancer patients are dead within five years or so. I can't imagine what her son must be going through-he's only 13.
Jenn
| moljul
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| posted: 8/10/2005 at 10:02:21 AM ET
So since I seem to have sparked this debate, I figured I should respond one more time.
Karen, you are absolutely right in that just banning tobacco is an idealistic plan. And if done like prohibition would be a ridiculous and dangerous prospect. What I should have written was that I wish steps could be taken to make the substance an illegal drug like cocaine. Or better yet, can we go back in time to the person who saw the tobacco plant and thought, hey, we could smoke this. Yes, that's the person I would like to smack.
I'm sure you are very respectful of others in regard to your smoking but the plain fact of the matter is that many people are not. Like Christine, I have been overwhelmed by smoke while walking past office buildings when the workers are standing outside taking their smoke break. I've lost track of the times I have had to walk into a cloud of smoke because the person walking in front of me on the street is smoking or there are also the numerous times I've almost been burned or my clothes burned as I walked past them and they decided to flick the ashes off their cigarette at that very moment that I'm walking by. Children of smokers have no way of removing themselves from the smoke filled environment and are still under a tremendous health risk even if their parents are careful and respectful of the children.
Also, I feel alcohol is not directly dangerous to others and when it does become so (public drunkenness, drunk driving) we have laws and punishments to deal with the infringement on others' rights. Although I admit it is certainly not a perfect system.
I would like to see some sort of move to eventually make tobacco an illegal substance but due to the many people who are addicted (and became addicted by doing nothing illegal), it would have to be a gradual reduction in society. After all, there have been other drugs that were once popular and some how became less so throughout the years.
Crazy, I know and probably not at all possible but that's my opinion.
Anyway, its a touchy topic and I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone.
| Karen
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No offense taken at all, although I'm sure I sound very passionate. Balancing public health and safety with private rights and freedoms is one of the most significant issues any society faces. I think it's great that we're discussing it.
By the way, in response to your comment on cocaine, I personally feel that marijuana, cocaine, and other currently illegal drugs should be decriminalized, and the wasteful and punitive "war on drugs" should cease. Spend the money on tratment (but only for those who desire treatment). I'm a very consistent civil libertarian.
|  Sister Rose
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This has been an interesting debate thread. My grandparents both died before I was born due to lung cancer caused by cigarette smoking. When my grandfather became ill, my grandmother asked the doctor is she should quit smoking and he told her that the damage was probably already done. My grandfather died in 1959 and my grandmother died in 1964. Its not just that they died young, but that they both had very long & miserable illnesses. I am bitter that I never knew them due to their addiction to cigarettes. However, I do not believe that cigarettes should be illegal. I do wish there was such a thing as a safer cigarette and that the industry be forced to work on it. I do agree that smoking should be banned in all public buildings because workers and other nonsmoking patrons should not have to endure second-hand smoking. It does give me a headache. And I do try to get my friends and loved ones to quit smoking, but I have my own faults and addictions, so I cannot judge them.
| moljul
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| posted: 8/10/2005 at 11:02:53 AM ET
To be perfectly honest Karen, I don't completely disagree with your thoughts on the decriminalization of drugs as I agree the "war on drugs" is not working. Though I still feel there should be policies in place to combat the infringement on other's rights that users cause - much like I mentioned for alchohol. As I said, my response earlier in this thread was more of an idealistic hope.
EDIT: Now Karen, how can we get you to stop smoking.  Seems like the Fanadettes need to take a road trip to Karen's house and hide all her cigarettes. 
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