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 Broadwaybaby17
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Alabama | posted: 8/24/2003 at 1:08:07 PM ET
My friend and I were also discussing the difference between Bernadette and and actress who just happens to be able to sing. Anyone who has good pitch can sing a song and it sound good, the main difference is that she "becomes" the song. Like everyone else has said, she makes it real for you. That's something that she has taught me thatI will carry with me as an actress.
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|  Linnie4Bernadette
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I love how she sings "Wellllll" in Rose's Turn too, definitely an emotional height. Oh, and I just love how she sings "You'll be"...just those two words in Everything's Coming Up Roses! My goodness, it gives me goosebumps every single time!!! She's so amazing!!!
| angelgrl9
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this is so interesting...my friend and i were discussing this very topic a few days ago. we concluded that Bernadette is the great actor tht she is because she "becomes" (as you've stated). it's the difference between someone who can sing and a "singer". Bernadette is by far a "singer" in the deepest meaning. for example, anyone can sing "Rose's turn" but not anyone can FEEL it. it runs deep within her body and soul and therefore it is transferred to us as the audience and since she truely feels it within her, as a basic human responce, we feel what she feels and then it takes on different meanings to all of us b/c of personal experiences, but the raw human emotion is the same.
i think it was Ewan Mc Gregor after he did Moulin Rouge that said that there are some things that a song can evoke that mere diolouge simply cannot b/c of the music being able to say much of what we could never put into words. and i think that Bernadette is the prime examle of such a thing. (as well as sondheim, of course  )
~Lisa
| Broadwaybaby17
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Alabama | posted: 8/24/2003 at 2:16:34 PM ET
I couldn't put it better myself! You know the sad thing is, that we're not suppose to be on Rose's side at all...heh heh, especially if you know anything about the real story...but you just can't help but feel for her. You want to jump up and scream YEAH! at the end of Rose's turn. It's almost like cheering on the bad guy in a way! lol
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| angelgrl9
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2/16/2003 | posted: 8/24/2003 at 2:22:07 PM ET
i know!!! that's part of Bernadette being able to BE a role and make it deep and personal to her. if you watch the tony's when she's introducing "Rose's Turn", she never speaks negatively about her role or views. her justification for why Rose does the things she does is b/c she loves her daughters so SO much. and there are reasons for her being the way she is that have to do with her own mother leaving and her husbands leaving.
i never liked or felt the slightest bit of sympathy for any other Rose i've seen, but Bernadette humanized the monster...
~Lisa
|  Jenny_loves_
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London | posted: 8/24/2003 at 3:00:32 PM ET
What a lovely thing to say RobRamos! Thanks! I like to think of myself of an inspirational person. lol!
they say bernadette's wonderful..........and she is
xx Jenny xx
|  UCFGuardgirl
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New York City | posted: 8/24/2003 at 4:39:28 PM ET
Angel, you put it so beautifully. We feel what she feels because we see her on stage, feeling every part of the song so deeply.
I think what I loved about seeing Bernadette perform 'Rose's Turn,' and what I think sets her apart from the other Roses who came before her, is that Bernadette turns the "Rose is a monster" dynamic on its ear. The easy route to take (and the one most actresses have taken) is to play Rose as this crazed, driven monster, to play her as the rest of the world (and, quite possibly, the performer) sees her. But Bernadette plays Rose as ROSE would play herself. She's driven, ambitious, slick, harsh, and completely baffled as to why anyone would find fault with any of these qualities. In Rose's Turn, we see a Rose who doesn't see herself as a monster, but simply has found herself at the end of her rope, without anyone left to boss around or handle, and without anything to struggle for, and she doesn't know what to do with that. So we don't have to have it shoved down our throats that Rose is a slightly crazed woman --- Bernadette makes us see it in the way that she portrays a character whose eyes are wide and crazed and yet refuses to acknowledge how everyone else sees her.
And thanks, Rob, for saying what you did. I absolutely love this board, too. Everyone is very warm and genuine, and very knowledgable not just about Bernadette, but about theatre in general, and lots of other things. 
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Regis: And look at all this hair. My God. That's a lot of hair. Look at this. How does hair get this way?
Bernadette: Um.. it sort of grew out of my head like this.
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| daedreams
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rob you are very kind.
i think the reason that people fall in love with bernadette after seeing her perform on stage or in a movie is the fact that you feel what she is feeling. the emotions are so strong and she brings that across and into the hearts of the audience. and i can truly say this it is because of her that i switched from playing in the orchestra to singing on stage. i was and still remain amazed at the emotions she shows and could only dream of someday being able to attain that same emotional status
"beauty belongs to those who believe in the power of their dreams" eleanor rosevelt
| supasta83
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hello everyone! i'm actually new to this website, and have so much to say!
i have been a fan of bernadette for as long as i can remember... saw movies, listened to CD's... and you wouldn't believe the downloads on my computer. I'm from Mass- so until this year i had never seen her live. i was fortunate enough to find a soulmate when i went to school in new york who had the same appreciation for her that i did!! (that person is actaully lisa aka. angelgrl9). so anyway, the first time i saw her was in gypsy... and i have to tell you that she had such an effect on me that i literally cried for 2 hours on the way home!
that's the thing i love most about bernadette IS the fact that she feel EVERYTHING she says or sings-- she feels it all, right to her core. when you hear most people sing on a cd it's JUST singing with bernadette it's not. it's so so much more- she has such a deep emotional effect on me, on everyone! she's amazing, that's the only way i can even describe her!
anyway, lisa had told me about this website and you all seem like the nicest people! i wanted to be apart of it!
**Amy**
| Bwaybaby
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Welcome to the board Amy
| Linnie4Bernadette
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Welcome Amy!
|  SingOutAnnie
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Bradenton/Sarasota, FLA | posted: 8/25/2003 at 10:38:34 AM ET
Oh, my. I've been waiting for this discussion, about Ms. Peters' overall performance as Rose. It just gets my heart racing.
She does make you understand Mama Rose, psychologically. I watched the Bette Midler version, which is good, not long after seeing Bernadette the first time. One thing I really noticed was that Bette several times did her wild-eyed, crazy woman look, which she's done in other films too (big eyes, leans her head back). And, though I've not seen the Rosalind Russell Rose in many years, what I remember was she played Rose sometimes like Auntie Mame on speed. Also a crazy crazy-lady.
I did not get that impression of Bernadette's performance. She wasn't acting loony. She was driven, yes. And her actions were crazy, but she wasn't wild-eyed, crazy. Just more desperate. I think that makes her more human, more like a real person. She was an ambitious woman at a time when women had few avenues to channel their drive; you succumbed or you went nuts or, worse, killed yourself (there's plenty of literature on that). Rose's answer is to push her kids into show business, no matter what. What she does to Louise is monstrous, but you know how she got there.
I have to say, too, she makes the play have more sense in regard to Rose having had three husbands and working on a fourth. It makes more sense why Herbie would stay. Because she's more sexual, but also because she's not a raving nutcase. To be honest, watching Bernadette and John Dossett sing "You'll Never Get Away" together, I just can't imagine Merman and Jack Klugman doing that song and me feeling the same way. A completely different image. Maybe, for the time, it worked, but I can't imagine it, being as romantic, I guess.
I am closer to Ms. Peters' (and Rose's) age than many on this board, I have to say that, when you are older, "Rose's Turn" means even more to you. Not that you can't understand that, I don't mean that. But those emotions are closer to your own, and you can really understand and feel them...
Well...Ms. Peters' just seems to put every fiber of her being into performances. You can't fault any performer who will do that. She's a great role model, on stage and off, for any aspiring performer. Her Tony performance is probably the best live three minutes I've ever seen; and perhaps should be a study guide for up-and-comers. Some of the little physical nuances are just a wonder.
She's an artist.
| futuremamarose87
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I was just watching Pink Cadillac tonight and thinking how wonderful that scene was! I'm suppose to give a monologue in class soon and I was thinking about doing that one.
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anyone know what that monologue is or where i could get it?
"It was like being high when you reach those high notes."
~Bernadette Peters
|  3va4eva
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Atlanta | posted: 7/26/2004 at 8:47:17 PM ET
This is a tad random, sorry...This thread, as well as some recent events in my life, have made me think that maybe it takes a certain sensitivity to love BP (that everyone here obviously possesses). Because I know some people that really don't think much of her, which baffles me because I melt when I see her perform. I think that she strikes a really special chord in certain people and that's why her fans are so enthusiastic. And it kind of seems to be the same way with Stephen Sondheim; people either die for his music or don't think much of him at all. And (to actually connect this random rambling to what all you lovely people were saying) I think it is the emotional intensity and vulnerability of his music and her performances that makes that special connection with a certain fan base. Just my thoughts!
Eva
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| BPfan11
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From:
Rhode Island | posted: 7/26/2004 at 8:56:26 PM ET
I completely agree. I have a few friends who (for reasons I can't understand) don't think much of Bernadette, and then I have others, who like me, love everything about her performances. There does seem to be something about her that some people just "get" and can relate to. Kinda hard to explain, I don't know.
| SingOutAnnie
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Bradenton/Sarasota, FLA | posted: 7/27/2004 at 12:53:30 PM ET
That's what makes a horse race and what makes the world go 'round...(any more cliches?)
Isn't it nice to have a choice??
If others don't care for Bernadette or Sondheim, well, heck, that means there's more for us to enjoy.
They hung "La Grande Jatte" over the refreshment stand, remember....
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